“For me this is about life, not death.”
– an interview with Uberto Pasolini.
The day is
October 11, 2013 and the 29th Warsaw Film Festival opens with the screening
of the film “Still Life” – the story of a man (Eddie Marsan) caring for those
who have been forgotten at the end of their lives by making sure they will be
given a proper funeral. The director Uberto Pasolini tells about his
inspirations, Eddie Marsan’s performance, the meaning of the title and the
importance of acknowledging other people’s lives.
What inspired you to tell this story?
The idea
came from reading an article in an English newspaper. It was an interview with a
woman who used to do this job in the Westminster borough. She was often the
only one present at the funerals she arranged because in the majority of cases
she didn’t find any relatives. I started following two other funeral offices in
south London. They told me that not only in most cases the families are not
found, but even when they are, the people have no interest in participating in the
funeral. I also went to the union of all the funeral offices of Greater London.
The majority of people there who organize the ceremonies don’t even attend them
because they are either too busy or they do that job in a very bureaucratic way.
I was struck by this idea of people who have been forgotten at the end of their
lives. And this image of a lonely grave, which you see at the end of the film,
was really the image where my thinking about making the film took off. An
interesting thing from my point of view was that whereas it started as an
examination of a social phenomenon, of isolation in the western world, mainly
in big cities, it became much more personal.
Have you ever felt lonely yourself?
I have felt
loneliness in the last few years of my life because I’ve divorced from my wife
and I don’t live all the time with my children. There are evenings when I come
home to an empty house – you open the door and it’s all dark, there are no
noises, no smells, no nothing, no life. I felt the loneliness of those moments
and I tried to imagine what it means for those moments to be your constant in
life. These people are always alone – if they’re lucky, they talk for one or
two minutes to somebody who puts their food in a shopping bag at the
supermarket – and that’s the extent of their human contact. What’s important to
me is to be more interested in other people’s lives, not just the lives of my
family or people I come into contact at work with, but people who I would not
normally meet or want to talk to. I think this exchange, that interest in
somebody’s life can enrich you. If the film wants to make you think about
anything it is the importance of continuous exchange with other people.
Once you got the idea and the script was written, an
actor for the main role had to be chosen. In your short
speech before the screening you mentioned Eddie Marsan’s really scary
performance in “Happy-Go-Lucky”. What made you choose this particular actor
since he made you so frightened?
I do not
like Eddie’s performance in “Happy-Go-Lucky”. I don’t think it’s real in spite
of the fact that I’m sure there are people like that but somehow I did not
believe it. I had worked with him 10 years ago, before “Happy-Go-Lucky”. In
this film he played Napoleon’s valet and he had six lines and three scenes. And
in those six lines and three scenes he managed to create a complete, round human
character. Not only was he the real person but because of the way he interacted
with the emperor, who was played by Ian Holm, he gave him a human side too, a
less imperial quality. And all this doing almost nothing – because the
wonderful talent and technique that Eddie has is to be able to convey complex
emotions with his very, very low “acting volume”, if you want to call it that. Another
great talent he has is that of generosity. It’s always about the story, the
character, what the film needs, what the director’s after – and then about his
performance. Both when he’s in a scene by himself and in a scene with other actors
he’s very generous towards others, he takes into consideration what will the
other actor need to help his or her performance. He liked the script very much and
we go along very, very well. I think he’s the best thing in the film. I’m very
happy because it’s the first time he’s a lead in a film – he tends to be used
as a character actor and not the leading man.
Despite its gloomy subject, the film does have some
humorous moments, even if they are very dark and ironic.
I like to
find humor in everyday situations, a humor that belongs to the real world. I
don’t look for it – when you work with a scene you catch something and you
remember something. It’s not a hard work, as if you’re writing a comedy and
therefore you have to say, “every scene needs to have two laughs and a visual
joke.”
What made you place this story visually in a
cartoonish universe? The surroundings aren’t very realistic, everything is in
the shade of blue, the main character’s everyday life is very idiosyncratic and
it creates humor.
For me that
world is a real world. We shot in real apartments and real offices. We made
some small changes to the office in order for it to be exactly the same as the
office in Westminster. It’s true, there is a lot of blue color – however,
during the course of the film the color gets gradually saturated as the main
character’s life opens up a little bit. It’s something that most people don’t
notice, which is correct, I was hoping for it to be subtle. We did a little
work with the sound – it’s sort of muffled and undistinguished at the beginning
and then, gradually, it becomes much more specific and distinct. Also, the
camera starts moving just a little bit more, as the film progresses. Some
people feel it’s a fable because they don’t know or believe that such a job
exists. I think of it as something real because the central character for me is
completely real – he is me. Unfortunately, that’s what I am like.
You eat a can of tuna and an apple every day?
Absolutely,
that’s very much me – picking up the crumbs and putting them back in the coffee,
that kind of thing – that’s what I do, it’s sad but… It goes back to what we
were saying about finding comedy in real life. I try to stay away from unreal
situations.
The problem with the Polish title of your movie is that
it’s very unambiguous. “Zatrzymane życie” means literally “a stopped life”. The
original title can be interpreted in various ways, due to the use of the word
“still”. Would you say it’s a movie about something that is motionless, dead
and still or about something that still exists and does not end with death?
You can
read it in different ways. For me this is about life, not death – about the
need to engage with other people and to remain alive by engaging with other
people’s lives. It’s about recognizing other people’s lives, which is what the
central character does. What he wants to do, when he collects those little
things in people’s apartments and writes the eulogies, is reminding the world,
which is not listening, that this person had a life which has to be recognized
before it’s forgotten forever. One of the things that is really important is
that he is not a sad character. He’s a bit different from us, we might wish
that his life was more complex, we like the idea that his life is opening out.
There is a change in him and he appreciates that but he’s not sad about his old
loneliness, he doesn’t feel lonely – he’s solitary, but not lonely. It was very
important that the audience didn’t feel pity for him. We shouldn’t judge it on
our notion of a successful life and in the same way we shouldn’t judge the life
of his neighbor. He did end his life sadly, but he had also lived a life, he
had children, he had love affairs, he saved somebody from dying in a war, he
was a good friend. Recognize other people’s lives and don’t judge them too
much. They’re still lives. They’re as good as yours.
Jakub Michalik